Disaster Successfully Averted - Obama Vacation Almost Cut Short!

Just curious, but do you recall the huge amount of criticism heaped on Bush for not sitting in the middle of downtown New Orleans while Katrina struck?

GWB will never live Katrina down and he was in DC!

Let's hear the cries of outrage from the Libs.......crickets.

Just curious, but do you recall the huge amount of criticism heaped on Bush for not sitting in the middle of downtown New Orleans while Katrina struck?

fedupwithliberals,

1. It was with the handling of FEMA and no one getting there for days.

2. Hurricanes you have a day or two notice it will happen, tornadoes give you little to no warning.

3. Bush was not out of the country then

4. Hurricanes affect entire regions and tornadoes affect cities/counties.

5. No one wanted Bush there while it struck.

6. Large % of the National Guard for that area was in Iraq instead of in the state where it is suppose to be.

And really, all of these does not matter because none of these blaming is helping those that need help now. My prayers go out to the people of Joplin.

Have a good day.

Colonial, how much of the blame for the handling of Katrina should be directed at Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin?

And really, all of these does not matter because none of these blaming is helping those that need help now.

You're right, it doesn't help. It's just ironic that the same people who tried to crucify Bush are the ones defending Obama.

My prayers go out to the people of Joplin.

As do mine.

do you recall the huge amount of criticism heaped on Bush for not sitting in the middle of downtown New Orleans while Katrina struck?

That's because Bush ignored the problem for days. He was literally playing guitar and eating birthday cake while people were drowning!

LOL, here we go again....

Colonial, how much of the blame for the handling of Katrina should be directed at Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin?

Fedupwithliberals,

Did I say they didn't? I think they get plenty.

You're right, it doesn't help. It's just ironic that the same people who tried to crucify Bush are the ones defending Obama.

These two events are apples to oranges. Katrina killed over 1,800 people and caused more than $80 Billion in damage. Bush was in next state over on vacation and Obama is over in Ireland on a diplomatic visit. And no, I didn't blame most of it on Bush (who I voted for in 2000).

But please, can we not go into Katrina anymore? Let us be done with that. Agreed?

Have a good day.

Two pics from HuffPost, and that's your "proof" that Bush ignored the situation? Nice try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Hurricane_Katrina

BTW, did you feel the same about Obama's golfing during the Gulf oil spill disaster?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/06/23/cnn-mocks-obama-golfing-during-oil-spill-just-plug-darn-hole-mr-president

Dear fedup,

Yep, this is curious...

Thelong standing criticism does not have its "bite" within the mainstream media when it comes to Pres Obama?

I think the continuous campaigning and vacations are serious at this time economic failure and another "not war" costing US more.

We still do not have Congressional approval for the action in Libya.

But please, can we not go into Katrina anymore? Let us be done with that. Agreed?

Sorry, but if you don't see the connection, then you missed the point of the article.

Sorry, but if you don't see the connection, then you missed the point of the article

fedupwithliberals,

What is the connection? These are two different situations and I explained why above. Not every disaster needs to be used to score points again your opponent and not every event is comparable to another event in the past administration. The first thing should not see how to blame something on President Obama, it should be worrying and trying to help those affect by this disaster. There really isn't any point of these partisan attacks against President Obama on this incident, it does nothing but divide this country. That goes for any president and event.

Have a good day.

Ambassadorial trip my butt. Another excuse for a fun site seeing trip with his family. Just like Brazil. Just like all the other trips.

Ambassadorial trip my butt. Another excuse for a fun site seeing trip with his family. Just like Brazil. Just like all the other trips.

Deb,

Every president takes these trips and yes they are on ambassadorial trips. You might feel it is, but it actually is. Diplomatic relationships require trips to other countries because otherwise you insult them. Taking these trips is part of a president's job.

Have a good day.

When did he visit Israel last?

Boker Tov!

Standwithisrael,

He went there in August 2008 and he was just invited to come over there soon.

And I see you continue mocking the way I always end my posts. I never say it if I don't mean it and I don't use it mockingly.

Have a good day.

Again, no mocking. Did Netanyahu extend the invitation Friday when he told Israel to go back to, you know, wherever...

Standwithisrael,

He is suppose to go next month. This trip has been planned since at least March if not longer.

Here is the info about being invited:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/obama-reportedly-invited-to-visit-israel/1

P.S. I withdraw what I said about your two greetings. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

Have a good day.

Colnial82,

First of all, your point about Bush at fault for New Orleans is false. It was Governor Blanco's fault, as TWO DAYS before Katrina hit, SHE refused Federal Assistance in evacuating and preparing for it. Secondly, when it did hit SHE and HER Administration REFUSED Red Cross and other access to New Orleans. Finally, Nagin refused to use anything to evacuate the city before Katrina hit, which actually led to much of the people suffering. I remember the pictures of fleets of school buses under water. I remember all of the people stranded in the Superdome. I remember the hospitals that were flooded, while nothing was done to get the patients out.

What does Katrina have to do with Joplin, MO? Nothing, other than the fact you make it a point to point out how much of Katrina was Bush's fault (despite all the facts laying it at the hands of Nagin and Blanco) while Joplin, MO is small in comparison and the President is out of the country seemingly unconcerned about the country burning ala Nero and Rome. But, your lack of acknowledging the facts of what happened in the lead up to, during, and after Katrina requires a rebuttal.

Colnial82,

First of all, your point about Bush at fault for New Orleans is false. It was Governor Blanco's fault, as TWO DAYS before Katrina hit, SHE refused Federal Assistance in evacuating and preparing for it. Secondly, when it did hit SHE and HER Administration REFUSED Red Cross and other access to New Orleans. Finally, Nagin refused to use anything to evacuate the city before Katrina hit, which actually led to much of the people suffering. I remember the pictures of fleets of school buses under water. I remember all of the people stranded in the Superdome. I remember the hospitals that were flooded, while nothing was done to get the patients out.

What does Katrina have to do with Joplin, MO? Nothing, other than the fact you make it a point to point out how much of Katrina was Bush's fault (despite all the facts laying it at the hands of Nagin and Blanco) while Joplin, MO is small in comparison and the President is out of the country seemingly unconcerned about the country burning ala Nero and Rome. But, your lack of acknowledging the facts of what happened in the lead up to, during, and after Katrina requires a rebuttal.

tomwcraig,

When was I blaming Bush for the whole Katrina? I already said I didn't really put the most of the blame on him (mostly only hiring Brown who never did anything with disaster response before) . When did I say the governor and Mayor didn't deserve a lot of the blame and criticism? Where did I even start to talk about the leadup? I give a lot of blame to delaying the work on the levees that should have been done years before. You want me to attack me about knowledge of Katrina, won't you save that for if we had an indepth discussion of it instead of a couple quick comments. All I was doing was saying the differences between the two disasters.

the President is out of the country seemingly unconcerned about the country burning ala Nero and Rome.

That is your opinion, he already reacted and acted on this disaster quickly after it happened, but you may have missed that.

Please do not put words in my mouth and make assumptions, I know for my experiences making assumptions don't always work out.

Have a good day.

I think you need to reread your post in #2.3. It gives the impression you were blaming everything during Katrina on Bush. My reference to Nero and Rome was meant as to what is going on as a whole here in the USA. Obama ignored the BP oil spill for a MONTH, while claiming it was BP's problem. Meanwhile, he was refusing offers to help from over 2 dozen countries and playing golf. Then, we have this huge economic mess and he keeps spending like we have an unlimited bank account despite the fact we have trillions of debt owed to the Chinese that can be called in on any day. It's sad, but Obama does not have our best interests at heart and keeps lying about it. This lack of interest in the USA's best interests have been evident since he took office. This is just one more piece in the saddlebags on the camel's back.

Obama ignored the BP oil spill for a MONTH, while claiming it was BP's problem

tomwcraig,

Who said he ignored it? BP told them they had it under control and they didn't need the government's help. We had the Coast Guard there quickly after it happened and people on the beach trying to protect the rivers. Plus if we would have stepped in right away, people would have yelled that we was taking over business (like how they said with GM). The blame should go squarely on BP and their subs.

Obama does not have our best interests at heart and keeps lying about it. This lack of interest in the USA's best interests have been evident since he took office.

That is your opinion. To say any President does not have our country's interests at heart is just wrong, they all care about the country, just have different views on how to make it better.

I think you need to reread your post in #2.3. It gives the impression you were blaming everything during Katrina on Bush.

I am sorry, but you misinterpreted that and you also did not read the rest of my posts in this thread where I stated it wasn't really Bush's fault. I was giving the differences between Katrina handling and Joplin, I am sorry if I was not clear on that.

Have a good day.

When did he visit Israel last?

And what does that have to do with visiting Europe to meet with G8 leaders?
I suppose if he visited Israel he would not be falsely accused of vacationing by you. So silly!

Again, no mocking. Did Netanyahu extend the invitation Friday when he told Israel to go back to, you know, wherever...

The 1967 borders that Israel AGREED to.

Are you an American or Israeli? Curious.

Curious as to why you would ask this question.

Because you seem a bit concerned that the President is in Ireland and then asked when his last trip to Israel was & I saw your seeds discussing his advice to Israel...that & your obvious concern for Israel as evidenced by course your moniker.

Valid question and an interesting one since we are discusing an American president; but I respect your right not to answer if you chose.

That said, please take it how it was meant; I inquired as to your nationality and nothing else.

Taao, I'm from Missouri and I know people that are now missing in Joplin. I find this article disgusting and of no value what so ever. You use a tragedy where many lives were taken to promote your views. I find this article and many of the comments on it lacking basic morals and ethics. Maybe you would of passed on this article if you had to help pick up dead children from your neighbors yard. Or your friends house was completely gone and he and his family were no where to be found. Just then maybe you'd realize how your incite full ways serve no real purpose in life. Peace

Lee: Great post. Taao, what a sad, evil and heartless response.

Wow...this thread is about tornados, Obama, and Ireland, and righties already tried to deflect first with Bush and Katrina, then with the oil spill in the gulf.

Damn, guys...I honestly hope I never see you trying to accuse liberals of deflecting on future threads...although in a way, I hope I do...it will give me a mighty good belly laugh. 8D

To those that seem to "conveniently" forget their history - Bush served roughly 2,900 days as president and yet spent 895 days on vacation or 30% of the time.

Which was during two war, several nasty hurricanes (Dennis, Katerina, Rita to name a few) the melt down of the housing market, the melt down of Wall Street and the recession. Bush was hammered during the Katerina aftermath, because he praised FEMA "You're doing a hella of a job, Brownie" and FEMA had the situation totally screwed up. And was after all the money spent in disaster planning as result of 9-11 (four years prior).

Damn - imagine how much damage he could of caused it he took less vacation time.

But lately, it seems that it's the President's fault if you sneeze and he's not there with the Kleenex.

I felt comfortable when Bush was out of the country and out of the White House and I certainly feel comfortable when Obama is out of the country and out of the White House.

deleted my own post. I just can't take that shot.

First, though, after traveling overnight from Washington aboard Air Force One, the president and first lady Michelle Obama met Ireland's President Mary McAleese at her official residence, and Obama participated in a tree planting ceremony.

He tossed shovels-full of dirt at the base of a young oak as children rang a peace bell marking the 10th anniversary of the Good Friday accord, the historic agreement that put Northern Ireland on the road to peace. Nearby stood trees planted in past visits by then-presidents Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy, and one planted just last week by the queen of England during her visit here.

Indeed.

I am not a supporter of the President's politics but how do you find politics in a Disaster while the President is overseas?

How did the Libs find politics in the Disaster called Hurricane Katrina while the President was in Washington, DC?

When you can answer that question, let me know.

How did the Libs find politics in the Disaster called Hurricane Katrina while the President was in Washington, DC?

This line of reasoning creates an unending circular pass-the-blame game.

Did you think it was wrong when the "Libs" did to the Pres. Bush? If so, why are you doing the same thing to Pres. Obama?

wow, thanks for the link, weaver. Let me see if I have this correct: Meet for drinks, plant a tree, (especially loved the description of how he helped plant the tree -LMBO), and then, dang, he is off to go find his roots.

Sounds like a guy I worked for who took a trip to Wash, DC. His family went with him, he had one meeting while there, and spent the rest of the time sightseeing, eating out, and staying in plush hotels - all on the company dime...kinda sounds like our Congress people too. Maybe that is where Obama learned the tricks of the trade. Then again, he was only in DC as a Senator for about 150 days....so maybe not.

Frankly, I do not care where he is today, we seem to do better when he is out of the country though...do I expect him to interrupt his trip because 100+ people were killed in a terrible tornado? Not really, but then again, Bush didn't get that courtesy - but I have to tell you, the libs getting their collective panties in a twist is kinda funny. Thanks for the humor!

taao, vol fan in chatt, tn

I think it's funny you two addressed only me. I was merely agreeing with Bad Fish.

I do agree with him, I already said that. And I doubt Bad Fish considers himself a liberal...but you already know that.

The two you choose to ignore the person who made the original argument and go after the person that merely agreed with it. If I didn't know better, I would say the two of you were scared of Bad Fish.

I liked your link and quoted description, that's why I addressed you. That is all. If Bad Fish had put it in quotes, I would have said the same to him.

I am a little perplexed with our arguments here. How should the President respond to the tornado disaster? Without discussing past situations. Sometimes our positions are motivated by nothing more than an opposing political opinion irrelevant to the current issue.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just sick of him always being somewhere else when his leadership is needed here. He sucks as a leader. It does seem like he's either entertaining someone here and having another big party at the WH, or he's going on some site seeing tour in another country and calling it business, or he's golfing, or campaigning or giving ANOTHER speech. The one thing he doesn't do much of is lead this country out of our problems. I've come to be glad when he's not home. It seems every time he is here, they pass some stupid law that spends more money we don't have. At least if he's out of the country he can't sign anything. I hope.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just sick of him always being somewhere else when his leadership is needed here.

HE IS MEETING WITH THE G8!!!

Google it because apparently you don't understand.

Wow Post 4.4 a "Blame Bush triple" These Liberals are good!!!

Sorry? I think you may have misread my post. I did no such thing. And my post at 4.4 was equally applicable to progressives. If you did it while Bush was President, don't complain when conservatives do the same to Obama. It's very simple. If you complain about something by reference to what someone else does, it creates a never-ending pass-the-blame circle. That's simply an observation about politics. I don't really see how that could be construed as blaming Bush for anything.

Katrina was different. The reason that turned out so badly is because the chain of command to ask for help was not followed. The mayor waited too long to evacuate. He should have done like the sheriffs on the East coast do when a hurricane is coming. You dont wanna leave, cool beans, but use this sharpie and write your ss# on your arm so we can identify your body. That usually gets people moving. THen governor Blanco has to ask for help in time for FEMA and whomever else to be able to get ready to get there as needed. She waited to long to ask and that ended up having the help stranded trying to get through the mess to bring Aide.

Sometimes our positions are motivated by nothing more than an opposing political opinion irrelevant to the current issue.

That is it in a nutshell. No matter what it is, they are against Obama. Obama says Israel can't keep up the occupation, republicans start screaming, even though Bush said the same thing in 2008. Individual mandate? They advocated for it before Obama put it in the HCR. Now they hate it. Now they are hating on Oprah because she supports Obama and didn't bring Palin on the show to spread her ignorant bullcrap. It has gotten so hysterical more and more Americans are noticing, which makes them go even more ape@!$%#. Add their godawful candidates to the mix and you can smell their fear.

lib50

Aren't you generalizing the same way you say conservatives do?

I am a conservative independent who didn't agree with Bush about Israeli borders either, thinks the HCR was a good idea that was poorly executed and considers Oprah and Maury Povich as equal in that that are nothing more than talk show hosts.

Some conservatives just don't agree with Obama's policies, we do not hate him or anyone else

Katrina was different as the National Weather Service issued the warning a week prior that it could be a big one. Bush still went on vacation. It was several days if not a week before Bush visited the FEMA staging area and said "You're doing a hella of a job Brownie" when it was reported in the news that FEMA had the situation totally screwed up - and this was after four years of diasater planning and preparation from the fall out of 9-11 and it was still screwed up.

As to Obama's trip to Europe, it was planned several months prior to the tornado season starting. Besides the visit to Ireland and England, it included the G-8 summit.

This is just an excuse for the teabumlicans to get their 30 second sound bite on Faux "news?"

I can see it now, little Rushie gets a hang nail and the President has to cancel a summit with the some head of state to give little Rushie a Kleenex.

As to slamming our allies - Israel is not an ally of the US, because Israel only cares about Israel and they wouldn't think twice about throwing the US "under the bus" the first they could profit from it.

Name one thing that Israel has done for the US?

Some conservatives just don't agree with Obama's policies, we do not hate him or anyone else

But you are unusual, Robert. You aren't one of the lock-step republicans. I've seen plenty of posts (and talk to people in person) and plenty just don't like Obama no matter what he does. It seems to be the republican way at the moment. They disagree with everything even if they used to support it, just because Obama does it. If more republicans were like you I might vote for one again.

lib50

And maybe more will be if we can get a good leader for such a group in the party and get the message out that extremism on the left or the right is bad for the country

Katrina was different as the National Weather Service issued the warning a week prior that it could be a big one. Bush still went on vacation. It was several days if not a week before Bush visited the FEMA staging area and said "You're doing a hella of a job Brownie" when it was reported in the news that FEMA had the situation totally screwed up - and this was after four years of diasater planning and preparation from the fall out of 9-11 and it was still screwed up.

No, it wasnt all Bush's fault. The LOCAL authorities are the first line of defense. Bush couldnt make Nagin use those empty buses to get people the hell outta dodge. And Nagin couldnt make the people get on them and leave. The next line of defense is state government. Blanco waited too long to swing into action, and if somone was gonna make Nagin use the buses, it would have been her. SHE then had to ask for federal help in an adequate amount of time so it could be on stand by and not after the fact. After the fact, the National guard had trouble getting to the area because of the broken levees.

The head of FEMA was a joke though. Bush would have been better off askin his dad and Jeb for advice on what to do during a hurricane than that Brown fellow.

And of course what is special about Katrina is that the Levees didnt hold up. BUT, the 9th Ward used to be a swamp land. You cant hold the waters back forever, and Katrina let em loose.

The Shrub didn't just go on vacation. He had a birthday party to attend that day, and nothing was going to stop him.

Dubya was saddened a bit about Katrina. It destroyed KKK-supporter Lott's seaside home and a planned vacation had to be cancelled.

All of our Presidents period, had all been white; there are no gray areas to complicate the criticism of this President.

Ah, yes...the race card. And in only 6 posts! So how do you explain the exact same criticism of Bush (which is what this seed is obviously parodying)? You can't call that racism.

This seed isn't a parody of anything. Parody requires truth. If the President was on vacation then perhaps the seeder would have a point. And you also can't make a parody of Obama's vacationing, the little that does actually do, by comparing him to our last President who actually spent more time on vacation than any other President in US history.

This seed isn't a parody of anything. Parody requires truth. If the President was on vacation then perhaps the seeder would have a point.

And then...

And you also can't make a parody of Obama's vacationing, the little that does actually do, by comparing him to our last President who actually spent more time on vacation than any other President in US history.

You just proved my point. Libs love to try to make Bush seem like he was always on vacation, when in reality he spent much of his "vacation" time on his ranch in Texas, which was equipped with all the communications capabilities necessary to govern the nation. In addition, he received daily briefings, spent time in meetings and on the phone, and entertaining foreign dignitaries.

Oh thats right Obama does not take vacations what was it I heard them referred to as? Oh yeah "working vacations". Hell we might actually be able to believe that...if he actually begins to work and do something productive for "this" country

Personally, I hope he stays on vacation...less damage done!

You just proved my point. Libs love to try to make Bush seem like he was always on vacation, when in reality he spent much of his "vacation" time on his ranch in Texas, which was equipped with all the communications capabilities necessary to govern the nation. In addition, he received daily briefings, spent time in meetings and on the phone, and entertaining foreign dignitaries.

and cutting brush. Don't forget the brush cutting. Yeah, his ranch was a regular White House Part 2. Give me a break. Nice rationalization there, bud.

Along with the brush cutting, he also cut down many trees, just for the sake of media. One of the exibits that will be in his library, will be barrels of saw dust, along with his presidental papers citing his accomplisments during his two-term presidency.

True....it was setup for use for him working....He wasn't jet setting...

Not to mention that it is eco-friendly...

What was it they called his ranch? Oh, yes, "the Western White House". BTW, there is a list of dignitaries he met with while at the ranch working:

November 14-15, 2001 Russian President Vladimir Putin

April 5-7, 2002 British Prime Minister Tony Blair

April 25, 2002 Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah

August 27, 2002 Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar Bin Sultan

October 25, 2002 Chinese President Jiang Zimen

February 21-22, 2003 Spanish President Jose Maria Aznar

May 2-3, 2003 Australian Prime Minister John Howard

May 22-23, 2003 Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi

July 20-21, 2003 Italian Prime Minister Silvo Berlusconi

March 5-6, 2004 Mexican President Vicente Fox

April 12, 2004 Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak

November 24, 2004 King Juan Carlos And Queen Sofia Of Spain had a brief lunch at the ranch

March 23, 2005 Mexican President Vicente Fox, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in a Trilateral Summit held in Waco, Texas at Baylor University then headed to the ranch for lunch

April 11, 2005 Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon stayed overnight at the Hilton Hotel in Waco, Texas and went to the ranch for lunch

April 25, 2005 Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah met at the ranch for lunch after receiving dignitaries at his Dallas hotel, the Gaylord Texan (now King Abdullah)

August 4, 2005 Colombian President Alvaro Uribe

Don't have the list from Sept 2005 - Jan 2008.

Bush's own quote (stuttering the whole time) when accused of spending too much time away from the White House: "I'm looking forward to getting down there and just kind of settling in. I'll be doing a lot of work; on the other hand, I'll also be kind of making sure my Texas roots run deep." You're also ignoring the fact that he spent 487 days at David by 2009. By 05 he beat (then laziest President) Reagan's entire Presidency as far as vacation. And how you could ever think bringing dignitaries to a ranch is being a good delegate is beyond me.

And how you could ever think bringing dignitaries to a ranch is being a good delegate is beyond me.

The last time I checked, 'Hospitality,' especially in one's own home can go a long way to setting up an atmosphere of congeniality, moreso than the Whitehouse, which is viewed as more of a formal, government building. I wasn't a Bush-lover, but I think the man was very smart and often made the right decision (which included opposing Cheney, at times).

Thanks, taao. I always stayed out of ' it ' in the past, but decided why should blondes, er I mean Dems have all the fun! ..As long as we keep the attack mode at bay and slam the issue, not other Viners, then this can be a good time! .. lol

Maybe if Bush wasn't on vacation 3 days a week for 8 years straight. And payed attention to all the warnings of possible terrorist's training in American flight schools . It would of saved America 11 trillion dollars.What a total failure the Republican party has been for the last 50 years. Bush/Cheney practically destroyed this country and all conservatives can do is bitch about Obama on a vacation.....Truly pathetic....Do any of you all ever have any answers to anything ? Or does it always just have to be a bitch fest with no answers ?

He's got one strategically placed so there's always someone to blame when things go wrong.

Oh, that was it! ..I knew there must have been a reason why we have 'so many' Czars.

Wow, some people need to lighten up just a tad.

It's really amusing how many people are rushing to Obama's defense over an obviously satirical piece. It's almost as if they've forgotten the "opportunistic mocking" of Bush they were so eager to give out during his presidency.

Actually, Obama is now a little too Irish. It offends Irish-Americans everywhere in this great country of ours. Most Irish-Americans did not have a socialist for a mom.

Standwithisrael,

I am Irish American and he does not offend me. And do you really have to insult a dead mother?

Have a good day.

And do you really have to insult a dead mother?

So you agree that socialism is bad?

So you agree that socialism is bad?

fedupwithliberals,

I said that because it was used as an insult and everyone reading it would see it was meant as an insult. I don't like pure socialism and I don't like pure capitalism either. I don't think either actually work. I am a moderate and I don't like either fringe.

Have a good day.

If being a socialist is an insult...then why are Liberals and Obama attempting to turn this country into a socialist state?

Taao,

First of all, Obama is not a socialist and most liberals in Congress are not socialists. The only socialists is Senator Bernie Sanders so please do not just throw that term around. The Healthcare reform was less liberal than President Nixon's plan (where he invented the Public Option) in the 1970s and every much like the Republican counter (mandate created there) to Hillary's healthcare plan in 1994. So if that makes Obama and liberals socialists, then Nixon and the Republicans in 1994 were socialists too.

Have a better day.

I do not appreciate you mocking my well wishes to my fellow Viners. I never said that if I don't mean it. I don't see my fellow Viners as enemies and I believe in treating others as I want to be treated. You know I have always finished why I post with that so please don't disrespect that.

Have a good day.

Standwithisrael,

Dia duit!

Wow, now you are mocking my well wishes too. So both you and the author decide to mock what I say. COH anyone? What happened to respecting your fellow Viners?

Dia duit! is Celtic for good day, as is Boker Tov in Hebrew. No offense or mocking at all.

Standwithisrael,

I know exactly what those mean. It is not always what someone says, but how you say it and the context.

So I'm offended every day by anti-Semites and people who think anyone who is Catholic is also a pedophile.

I am sorry you are offended every day, no one should have to go through that. Are you saying this to say you won't mock or offend anyone because you know how it feels so you don't want to do it to others? I know what you mean about being Catholic, since I am one but I am also upset with that whole situation and handling of it.

The great thing about growing up was that we celebrated both Hannukah and Christmas, Easter and Passover.

Sweet, twice the gifts and the great big meals :)

Have a good day.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding and I withdraw what I said about COH and Standwithisrael.

Have a good day.

Hey as long as you and the other Liberals believe that, well then thats all that matters. You are of course welcomed to your own opinion. I unlike Liberals can respect at least that much.

Taao,

You know good and well that I am not a liberal. We have had this discussion before so please don't keep calling me that. I am not a liberal or even a Democrat, not that there is anything wrong with it, but it just isn't me.

When you get a chance do me this favor please. Loan me that device that Liberals have that is so presumedly accurate and can glean intention. You see what you wish to see nothing more, nothing less. I heard an adage a long time ago that may fit in this scenario, something about "assumption".

Again, not a liberal so stop that. And how else do you expect me to react when you reply to me (where I always say that), you came back with "Have a better day". The context puts it as mocking, but if I was wrong, I am sorry and I withdraw what I said about COH.

You also just did what you said I did. You made an assumption about me and assumed I am a liberal because I don't agree with you.

Have a good day.

I just see you as your own posts and words define you to be.

Taao,

Then you have interpreted them incorrectly because I am not a liberal. On some positions I might take a more "liberal" side, but many others I take a conservative and moderate position. That is what makes me a moderate and an independent.

Have a good day.

It offends Irish-Americans everywhere in this great country of ours.

So you presume to speak for all Irish-Americans? LOL

trm, yeah, why not...the libs speak for all Americans, don't they?

you do not @!$%#ing like the article

What was it taao....being called opportunistic? If we only stayed on articles we liked, you wouldn't @!$%#ing be here!

Joanna Caroll
I think this article is an insult to all the people in the midwest who suffered from the tragedy

Joanna, You have to understand the conservative mind, Most are narcissistic and narcissism is a disorder. And all disorders are mental illnesses.

No Colonial I am pretty sure and feel confident enough to say, I intepreted nothing incorrectly. But please feel free to stay and attempt to convince others. I do not think they are buying it either.

Taao,

Anyone has a right to their opinion, but my mother always taught me to be respect of my fellow man and to not bear false witness against my neighbor. I know you will keep calling me "liberal" because you think it annoys me but it does, it is just funny how you keep at it. You really have no idea who I am and what I believe, but yet you jump to your assumptions about me at full speed ahead. If that is how you want to continue, that is up to you, but I don't treat others like that so I would not do that to others.

Have a good day.

Dick Lugar really is a Republican. /s

Taao,

Wow, you don't even think Lugar is a Republican.....wow. And that is why I am a FORMER moderate Republican because they movement of calling people "RINO". I didn't know everyone in the Republican party has to think the exact same thing or they must leave. What happen to Reagan's big tent? And this is in the nutshell is the reason the Republican Party is losing so many people. The great days of Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower are long gone and those are the Republicans I was like.

Have a good day.

Humor.....must get a sense of......humor

Humor.....must find sense of......humor, before writing silly political spin

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I ass ume you have heard of it...? (BTW, it is parady because it does have an element of truth).

I read the article again to find this treasure trove of laughs. Couldn't find one. Please point out a particularly hilarious sentence. I'll prepare for the yuks.

Please stop, you guys are killing me! Sarcasm intended.

"Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

Welcome to the Republican party's plan for America......50 DOLLARS A DAY.

KILL ALL UNIONS AND REPEAL THE MINIMUM WAGE LAW.

not all homeless are unemployed

...and yet another Obama lover who can't stand anyone criticizing their beloved hero, even in jest.

What are you haters going to do??? Nothing, that's what. Just whine.

I've already donated to the Red Cross. What have you done?

I'll be visiting Joplin soon. I'll stop by Fred & Reds to help out the local economy.

This isn't jest fedup, and you know it. This is ludicrious. Even if he did show up, you'd just accuse him of taking an kodak moment. Grow up.

PS - I do not answer to you.

The Governor mobilized the national guard and volunteers from multiple states were on hand in a matter of hours helping out their fellow citizens.

That is what is supposed to happen.

Gov. Blanco did not do that with Katrina which is why the devestation was so bad. The president cannot step in until the Gov. asks and she waited too late.

Robert in Ohio,

If I may expand on your efforts a tiny bit.....I'm not sure how many of you know you earn pennies per month for your comments and having people vote up your comments or seeds. If you go to the top of the screen, you'll see an earnings button. You can donate your newsvine earnings to several agencies, American Red Cross being one of them......

I do this every couple of months and have donated about $40.00.

Thanks for letting me piggyback your comment......

kj

I already do that

Red Cross has always been a favorite charity and it is only pennies but it helps

Hope others do the same as one constant we see I disasters in this country is the presence of the Red Cross

Well that's exactly what I trying to get across.....I didn't know about it until there was some other disaster about a year ago and someone else told me about it then......I knew you wouldn't mind passing the information along....

kj

I certainly will and by the way you passed it along as well

Thanks for caring

Well, they just got all my NV "earnings"...that I didn't even know I had until y'all pointed it out, LOL! I don't know if $3.90 is going to be much help...but better for them to have it than it sitting there unused...and I've made an online donation as well.

Robert and KJ, thank you for your posts.

As far as President Obama is concerned...meh, who needs him.

merleliz

Thanks for your generosity and believe my my totals are even lower, but I make other donations to them and like you figure it was better than just sitting there waiting for me to make up my mind

"every little bit" and all that merleliz

I've been waiting for the next US catastrophe to donate my nearly $80.00, so the Red Cross gets it this time.

CL

God Bless

:-)

How many newsvine accounts are there, even if each one could donate a $1.00, it would add up pretty quickly......please pass it on to your newsvine friends, many maybe unaware of the option as well.....

Great post, Robert in Ohio.. my heart goes out to those who are suffering through this most recent tragedy to hit our fellow citizens on the heels of the tornadoes that devastated the southern states less than a month ago, killing over 300 people, as well as the terrible flooding along the Mississippi.

Giving people a means of helping those in need is a wonderful thing for the givers and the recipients...

cynergy

I didn't do anything but post a link and a number

I talked to my son last night and he told me that a group of people were in a shelter having sandwiches and making plans to rebuild.

That is the American Dream and the American spirit at its finest.

I didn't do anything but post a link and a number

I disagree, Robert.

What you actually did was to remind us of "the American spirit at its finest", something we all need reminding of at times.

Many thanks!

To All who responded

I thank all of you for your kind words, but most of all for any help that anyone provides to the Red Cross to help our fellow citizens in Missouri, along the Mississippi River and in Alabama and Georgia.

Many are suffering and the little things we do add up to a lot when put together

taao

God Bless

I am sitting here watching the weather channel and calling the oldest every half hour or so

Those people in that whole area are going through hell this week

That is the American Dream and the American spirit at its finest.

Absolutely and I'll bet when folks go out to help their neighbors they don't ask who they voted for in the last election before extending their helping hand.

taao...you owe me a new keyboard, I just spit Sunny D all over it...that was PRICELESS!

Indeed. In some cases the president showing up hurts the relief and rescue effort. The additional security and media attention is a strain on local police departments.

Taao, That was spoken like a true Republican, Dick Cheney's son by any chance ?

Uhhhh oooook.

That was George Bush's and his FEMA directors response to Katrina.

If you look at the picture of when they took out Osama, the president is in a chair next to a Military person who is a the head of the table. Once you sign a order or give someone direction get out there way so they can do the job you pick them for and why they collect a pay check.

Uhhhh oooook.

Probably the most comprehensive comment that's been written in month. Sums up the right in two sounds.

taao- some people just don't have the work ethic others do, you really can't expect the prez. to blow off a free dinner and jump on a taxpayer paid for jet just to go to Joplin and say" what are you whining about ? this place looks just like Chicago and Detroit"

fmcarp

I think it is fine that Obammy is on vacation and out of the way, things get done when he is away just fine

I'm proud of you guys for coming up with such thought provoking responses to my argument.

fmcarp

Didn't see an argument in your post #16 that required a direct response.

What was the point you wanted a response to?

What a sleaze.

ah, just like clockwork.... I knew I would find it...yep, the second word. This from the person who never presents a fact that can be backed up with a link...but that's ok, LIG, it is always amusing.

When you have the Reps clapping and shouting for joy when America lost the Olympics, is hate so deep that you can't find it.

How petty can people be when it comes to this President?

...and the beat goes on....

Seconds after the stunning announcement that Chicago had been eliminated from Olympic contention, GOP luminaries were Twittering away with glee, celebrating the USA's humiliating international loss, which, of course, embarrassed Obama, who made the trip to Copenhagen.

Newt Gingrich rolled all the bad-good news into a single Tweet, throwing Iran in for good measure: "President Obama fails to get the Olympics while unemployment goes to 9.8% Iran continues nuclear program. America needs focused leadership."

GOP operative Matt Machowiak was giddy, " Actually Obama got the flowers, not even the bronze"

RedState's Erick Erickson, actually laughed [in print]:

"Hahahahaha. I thought the world would love us more now that Bush was gone. I thought if we whored ourselves out to our enemies, great things would happen. Apparently not. So Obama’s pimped us to every two bit thug and dictator in the world, made promises to half the Olympic committee, and they did not even kiss him. So much for improving America’s standing in the world, Barry O."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1009/Bad_day_for_USA_Good_day_for_GOP.html

LOL Still attempting to change the topic cynergy, you are correct...the beat goes on.

What was the topic again??? Oh yeah, you hate Obama.

cynergy..... thank you for the links. vol follows me and when I make the statement, vol ask me to post evidence. I ignore vol because either they don't believe the Reps did that or don't care.

Anyway thanks for the info

taoo

Still attempting to change thetopic cynergy

That's rich... I have rarely seen anyone change the topic of their own contribution as much as you have. Usually they have to keep other posters from straying...

I'm puzzled by your use of the word still... I've made a grand total of 2 comments on this conversation, and unless you consider acknowledging Robert in Ohio's helpful post in which he provided the link about donations to be changing the topic, then I don't know what you mean...

When the title of the article is a lie and the content of the article is also false, why do you find it odd, Cynergy, that Taao would have to stray off topic. The thing about lying is that is hard to remember the last lie you told. Better to change the subject. By the way, Taao, the lie is that the President is on vacation.

the lie is that the President is on vacation.

Too true. Of course they never complained about the head of the Bush Crime Family while he spent close to 30% of his time on actual vacations, golfing while kids were dying in one of the wars of choice he started nor cared one bit that he shut down the bin Laden unit.

The claim that when the President is on a state visit to another country (one of his duties in office) and attending the G8 summit is a "vacation" is ludicrous just on the face of it. Then they whine about the fact he is not showing up at every disaster while completely ignoring the fact that they supported the Shub's decision to spend time at a birthday party rather than rush to the largest single natural disaster in American history (Katrina). Yes. the hypocrisy is of epic proportions.

see posts like that are nonsensical to me. Why even spend the few seconds to even say that then?

Taao, I wish you were a liberal and knew everything too. Then maybe you wouldn't of voted for the old guy that sleeps all day at work and his side kick crusty the clown.

Joe Biden?...........hell, I don't think Taao voted for him.

I refudiate that thingy you just said. golly!

Golly gee, and all the rest. Crusty the clown appreciates your loyalty lee atwater.

I voted to save America from palin and McCain.

I know what you meant, I was just having a little fun. ;-)

vol have you ever been to a zoo?

Every time a person enters a right wing seed and watches the right wing lemmings try and justify the distorted comments being told by their brethren.

Since trying to tell you anything wouldn't be worth camel spit do your own research its called Google. Hope this improved your reading ability.

yeah, yeah, yeah....late to the party, I see. We've been there, done that already on this seed. Anything else?

Nice link, btw...with a url like that, don't think I'll go, but thanks for the invite.

Don't forget that many of us on here have donated our earning and whatever else we can to the Red Cross for disaster relief in MO, and so many other devastated part of the US. I was in Apison, TN today and there is still massive work to be done from the 50+ tornadoes that came through our area on April 27. Some still without power and using generators 3 weeks later...Joplin will be the same or worse. I pray for those people...sad indeed.

Shoot, the link did not paste correctly due to the colorful word. Let's try it again. This site has a lot more photos of that fateful day and Bush's activities.

http://www.iraqtimeline.com/katrina.html

vol... tell me something, why do you post seeds nd article and don't let people make comments to your stuff. You come on people seeds and make comments and yet your seeds don't allow it.

WHY

taao... whether you realize it or not, we all get attack at one time of another. I have wrote seeds and articles and have gotten attack. You wrote this seed and got attack. You have wrote anther seed and have gotten the same treatment. I just feel that if you are man or women enough to write a seed and article then you shouldlet people have their say. That goes to both sides and all parties.

Do you feel like you should be allowed to make a comment on a seed and article. Also you don't have to respond to that person at all. If you feel like you want to get so mean and nasty, then I suggest you take a deep breath and count o the highest # to calm down and proceed.

Maybe she just can't handle seeing the truth.

Well, if you would have looked at the 2 seeds instead of going by what someone else said (clearing my throat), I explained it right there on my seed. Huh, how about that? Maybe you ought to go read it for yourself.

Additionally, I am not married to a computer during the day and night, so I can not properly moderate the hatefest (using your favorite word) said seed would have ensued as I haveseen recently on here, and according to what happened to rickace (he was moderating his seed and the mods came and undid what he had done), so what's the point?

But If that is not enough, some people who are baiting conservative seeders are then complaining about the lack of moderation on seeds and reporting that to get people in trouble, huh, imagine that?...So, no, I won't risk getting a suspension while people play stupid games on a seed of mine. It will remain that way unless I can moderate it properly.

Hope that answers your questions, LIG and lee.

It does answer the question but it is a bull crap answer. See you get to go to everyone seed to write your crap about them and yet you seen like you can't control yourself if some strongly disagree with you.

SO WHY WRITE A SEED AND ARTICLE.

WHY NOT TRY FOXNEWS.

WOW.

taao, It's not a vacation, it's a diplomatic state visit. But, if it makes you feel better to call it a vacation since conservatives got nothing in the way of governing or policies except proven failures and a middle class and working class killing agenda, well, have at it.

babina

I am sure that you are right because Ireland is such an important economic and military ally as the U.S> faces the challenges of a failing global economy and armed conflicts around the globe.

The trip to England is business, Ireland was a vacation

The majority of the American people know President Obama is in touch and on their side, unlike the conservative republicans.

As for you Robert, I guess several hours of vacation in his ancestral homeland on his way to the state visit in England, next door, is too much for a president that takes little to no time off. Jeez, get a grip.

Is there value to this seed or does somebody need to sit in the "time out chair"

Actually referring to your entire seed. You seem to enjoy slamming everyone that disagrees with you - instead of being a true moderator of the seed and letting the discussion happen.

Most of the CoH violations are from the seeder, go figure.

Anyway no Memorial Day Weekend everyone and don't forget it isn't about recreation - it's about those that served and didn't come home.

He's black? Really, huh. Never noticed. I don't know his shoe size either. Whoopie ding.

The last sentence of post #26 bothers me. Necrophilia. Blech.